and republicans said if you are going to raise the debt ceiling they still want the same amount of cuts to go through. president obama has made it very clear to house republicans he is not going to negotiate on debt ceiling, just pass it clean, but they are probably going to put up a fight. >> bill: democrats last time made a lot of political hay, by taking the ryan budget and hanging it republican's necks. and they are going to do that this time? >> i am told they are making at it central focus of the 2014 campaign. however, republicans -- remember what happened last time. and they are trying to get out in front now. this budget balances the budget in ten years. they are confidence the balanced budget message will resinate with the american people. and so there are the first television ads using the balanced budget message as their key point in new york and florida. >> bill: interesting they would pick new york and florida. here is what one of those ads -- and everybody does this. they'll run the ad on cable television, probably limited by but they get a got of free publicity for it li